Starless and Bible Black - An anti-walkthrough for the Silver Seed!
But not impossible...
When our weary world was young The struggle of the ancients had begun The gods of love and reason Sought alone to rule the fate of man...Yes, it's time to repair the Universe again in Serpent's Isle.
My brother had quite different ideas.
He called his
character 'dickhead'; all the other characters suddenly become abusive.
For example, Dupre says 'We must press on, dickhead!'
Dickhead ran around the town of Monitor, killing cats with what I believe he described as 'a f***-off big hammer'.
Here, kitty kitty...
First I chose the Black Sword as the most valuable item. I chucked it on the ground, and as the storm began nicking my things, I picked it up, and kept drag-and-dropping it all over the place to try and keep hold of it..
At one stage, a bag appeared. I pressed 'I' to stop the game, and chucked everything in it. Then of course the bag vanished, sending all my stuff to obliteration... ;-(
If they die, and you take their bodies to Renfry for cremation, he'll give you 100 quid for each body.
As soon as I discovered this, a mysterious plague struck dozens of Pikemen.
It was very sad.. but I was always there to give them a proper funeral..
Later on in the game, you have to pay a ransom to the corrupt Knights.
Initially they ask for only about 100 quid, but when you go to pay it, they move the goalposts.
I used the pikeman trick to see if they had a limit.
Afterwards, the town was filled with halberds and posessions which didn't want to go away..
Danby: I'm here to pay the ransom for Captain Hawk Guard: What have you got? Danby: Lots and lots of monetari.. Guard: 'Tis not enough! Dupre: But you said the fine was 100 monetari! Guard: We changed our minds. Now we want 9600 monetari! Danby: Oh well.. better rob the mint again I suppose.. : : Danby: I'm here to pay the ransom for Captain Hawk Guard: What have you got? Danby: You can have 9017 Monetari, or a gold brick worth 100 Monetari Guard: Ooh! A gold brick.. alright, you can have him.
First, enter the chamber of the Wall of Lights. If any of your core characters are missing or dead, Thoxa will appear and bring them to you so that they can be posessed by the banes.
As soon as I saw this, it got me thinking.
Thoxa will appear if you try to enter through the large double-doors
with the characters missing, citing the 'prevention of disaster' as her
reasons.
Let's see what the disaster is, shall we?
So, go through the double-doors, and then ask Dupre to leave. Disarm him first, since wild animals do turn violent when trapped.
Kill Dupre- don't allow him to leave the chamber of lights, or Thoxa will reappear.
Now ask Shamino to leave and kill him, finally Iolo.
Now, go up to Batlin, and watch the universe unravel!
Press Alt-X and return to DOS when you're bored...
Follow this recipe..
Haha! I am Dupre, bane of drunkenness!
I am Iolo! Bane of shooting-the-Avatar-through-the-heart-with-the-triple-crossbow!
Kneel before Shamino, bane of rapidly diminishing consequence..
I didn't guess this until later, since all the books said I'd have to kill myself afterwards.
Instead I went for the brute-force approach.
In the temple of Discipline is a small duckblind which has lots of acid, so you die if you're not made of metal.
I cast Great Heal on myself to achieve perfect health, and then I just kept swigging yellow potions every few steps.
JM: You haven't seen my new party member. I've tried to go for the grim reaper look. IM: Cool! JM: I've covered every part of the body, you wouldn't know it was an automaton.. IM: Petra I suppose? JM: No, number 4 from the test of Logic IM: The MURDERER?
Once you've got the key and joined #4 to your party using CREATE AUTOMATON, it's time to do the final puzzle.
There's five stones, and a set of conflicting instructions.
First, go East and meet Dupre.
DUPRE
So I've got to kill the worms, right? Are they big? Are they fierce??
Are they hell..
Now, using the hammer you find on the floor, keep killing the worms.
Dupre will come back and urge you to follow him. Doing so will fail the test.
Or will it?
Wait until Dupre says it's the last chance, that you can kill the last worm later.
Say 'No', and hit the worm twice.
Now follow Dupre and enter the room full of chests.
Wait! There's nothing here.. Dupre has betrayed you!
..but it doesn't matter. Just kill the final worm and it's all OK.
If you like, you can take revenge on Dupre...
Don't try this at home
..but you won't get out of the test, since he has to say his piece before you are able to leave.
IOLO
OK, now go North and you'll meet Iolo. Skip all the crap and just get out.
SHAMINO
Finally, go West, and you'll meet Shamino, whose account of the past half-hour doesn't match that of Dupre or Iolo.
He urges you to press the Left Button, but this will fail the test.
Now, can we somehow push the button of pleasure without failing the test..?
Using the hammer from the first test, go up to Shamino and stove his head in.
Kill everyone else too.
Shamino isn't carrying any of his usual posessions.. Isn't that odd?
The testmaster will congratulate you on the fact that you didn't follow Dupre and how nice you were to the people trapped with Shamino.
Gold! Gold everywhere!
On Losing things
IM: How can you have LOST one of the most important objects in the entire game?? JM: How the hell should I know? IM: I can just imagine it: Balance Serpent: SLAY ME! SLAY ME WITH THE SERPENT SWORD AND SEND MY SOUL BACK INTO THE VOID!! Avatar: Umm.. just a second.. (rustle rustle) Um, I must have put it down somewhere. I could have sworn I had it just now.. Please, sir, can I go back and look for it..?
Have you seen a big, golden sword? I think I left it somewhere in this room..
...Then all at once the Chaos ceased A stillness fell, a sudden peace The warriors felt my silent cry and stayed their struggle mystified.. ...They sat a while in silence Then they turned at last to me "We will call you CYGNUS The God of BALANCE you shall be..."
SI_0706 00 - Before the Storm 01 - Iesus Christos 02 - During the storm 03 - a bag 04 - Sir Danby (Danby gains his knighthood) 05 - In monitor with tons of loot 06 - Ready to become a Knigget 07 - The test of Death 08 - Testing 09 - Road Crash (Knights run into each other) SI_0709 00 - I must go to fawn 01 - Cantra is the Chaos bane 02 - The Trial is reset 03 - Dupre is freed 04 - A re-run of the trial (In which I try to get Dupre executed) 05 - Extended success 06 - Down the hatch 07 - Find the goblin meeting place 08 - Find stairs in a dead tree 09 - FiREDOOM STAFF SI_0716 00 - I must find the Phoenix egg 01 - Return with the Knigget (Attempt to stop the knight dying) 02 - The knight is still in the cave 03 - Money conversion 04 - Room with a view 05 - A comedy of terrors (Killing to boost my funeral business) 06 - I must break into the mint 07 - We're off to see the Wizard 08 - Stoneheart 09 - Pothos is Erstam's son SI_0721 00 - I must find the Phoenix egg 01 - I am on monk isle 02 - Whoops, lost the stockings 03 - I'm Starving! (In which I'm stuck and have exhausted all 04 - Avatar shags the magelady possible supplies of food. I resort to 05 - Freedom hanging around banquets and pinching the 06 - Arcadion is still with me food from the table as it's served.) 07 - I must speak to Julia 08 - Down the catacombs 09 - The Test of Purity SI_0727 00 - This is the test of purity 01 - I'm back in Monitor! 02 - Dupre is f'ing dead 03 - Down Down to Goblin town you go my lad! 04 - Iolo rises again 05 - Iolo back from the dead AGAIN 06 - Got the keyring, now flee! (I chicken out of Silver Seed 07 - Gorlab swamp by sleeping for 168 hours 08 - I must eradicate God while the rest of the party 09 - Shamino's kingdom starves to death) SI_0801 00 - Draygan burnt the ship 01 - Forest master 02 - Death to draygan 03 - At the sleeping bull 04 - Looking for the wooden sword (Which I threw away because 05 - Batlin:unattainable Dupre kept wielding in combat) 06 - I found tons of cash and reagents (Which mysteriously appeared 07 - Train me Sarah, Train me again with love and kept me going forever) 08 - O superman 09 - To the house of wares SI_0802 00 - To the frozen north 01 - Snow leopard furs 02 - Got some loot 03 - Ice dragon 04 - Back to the Gwani 05 - Enter the place 06 - Shit Happens 07 - PoWDeR (In which I find some coveted 08 - V is for Vampire gunpowder and blow things up) 09 - Spinebreaker SI_0803 00 - Where am I? 01 - Wall of Lights 02 - WOL 03 - The banes are free 04 - WHERE IS THE KEY TO THE GATE!?! 05 - Blood! Blood everywhere! 06 - King Crimson:Discipline (The red album) 07 - Drink of discipline 08 - Sting:The soul Cages 09 - I defile logic SI_0804 00 - The castle of the White Dragon 01 - CWD 02 - Breakfast in America (The dining hall in the castle) 03 - This isn't possible (In which I climb onto the 04 - Throne Room walls of the castle) 05 - Gold! Gold everywhere! 06 - Die, Shamino! 07 - Dupre is left 08 - Now what? 09 - Seek the grave of the Chaos Hierophant SI_0805 00 - I spoke with the False Hierophant (Because I couldn't find the 01 - Dupre is very dead proper one) 02 - In the temple of Chaos 03 - I think I've found it! 04 - Bum! (In which I find I've dropped 05 - Balancing act one of the blackrock serpents) 06 - DIETEMTOLOEN 07 - Balance 08 - Communion 09 - Finale
Subject: Re: SI: The hound of Doskar (and other possible screwups) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:45:14 +1200 From: Paul RyanOrganization: The Internet Group Ltd Newsgroups: rec.games.computer.ultima.series JP Morris wrote: > I've just got hold of the dog. > However I need to give him something of Cantra's to act as a scent. > > Now, Cantra's mother won't give me anything: I assume she already did > and I've lost it. > > I think I have to give him a Sword, but if so I do not have it. > > Is it: > > A: marked specifically as 'Cantra's Sword' It's called a wooden sword I think. > B: will any old sword of this type do? > (This worked in BG, where you could pick up a serpent dagger > from DeSnell's table and tell him it was used as a murder weapon > in a town you haven't visited yet) It will. IIRC there may be one in a cheat room - the one in the Isles of the Mad Mage. > C: If all is lost, can I summon (or create) the object using the cheat > system? I really do not want to have to restart at this stage. If necessary item number is 520. > > > Other possible screwups: > > 1. My brother started with SI before me, he armed himself with what > he descibed as a 'F--- off big hammer' and went around killing cats. > > When I tried this the cat I ended was very tough and as it died I > realised it had a name. Not relevant to the plot of the game, but cruel. > 2. Near Gorlab Swamp is a cow, which I attacked for food. > This cow was very tough and had no meat therein. Ditto. > While the other animals all respawn when dead, the cat and the cow > are still dead just where I left them. > > Have I killed two important characters, and can I resurrect them when I > gain the Restore spell? Stop sweating. There are no plot problems with killing them, but they're now dead for good. -- Paulon Dragon d++ e- N- T+ Om U1!23!4!5!6!7'!S'!8!KA!L!W!M! -==(UDIC)==- u++ uC+ uF uG uLB+ uA+ nC nH+ nI nPT nS+ nT+ y? Insights are always valuable, even if they only show you your duodenal ulcer. Ka'a Orto'o, Gnomic Utterances, V XCIII Negate the spell to wish me well...
A weird bug involving resurrection ... OR Dupre is alive and well and living in Spinebreaker --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A strange event happened to me during the last days of my sojourn on Serpent Isle. This occured soon after the Chaos Serpent was reunited due to Dupre's selfless sacrifice. I was poking around Spinebreaker looking for the last serpent tooth, which I needed to get to Sunrise Isle. Thinking that I might have overlooked something on Batlin's body, I set off with the remaining Companions to the Great Shrine. Unfortunately, in my haste, I had forgotten about the series of explosive traps set on the path to the Shrine. Running through the gauntlet, Iolo and Shamino fell, and I was heavily wounded. I managed to retrieve Iolo's body, deciding to go back for Shamino later, in a better condition. Standing before the doors leading to the Great Shrine, I used the to Hourglass of Fate to summon Thoxa. Waves of ether rippled through the air as the monk appeared. But unexpectedly, after she had resurrected Iolo, she made a comment about how not all my Companions were with me and proceeded to summon them here. Shamino appeared, fully restored, but so did Dupre, whom, last I saw, had been reduced to a pile of ashes in a jar! The noble knight, or replica of him, was none the worse for wear. Indeed, It appeared as though he had no memory of his demise. He joined and accompanied my party to the end of the quest.I couldn't get this to work.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A similar bug is that you can actually get Thoxa to resurrect Selina (or whatever her name is) because she was once a companion.
When the monks have resurrected you, they notice her:
No.. please.. I much preferred her dead..
If you resurrect her then and there in Spinebreaker, then she says something about not wanting to talk, and hangs the game.(IIRC)
I want to be alone.
I want to be alone.
I want to be alone.
I want to be alone.
I want to be alone.
I want to be alone.
I want to be alone.
You will need to click on the words and QUICKLY press ALT-X.
But you'll have plenty of time to get it right..
If you bring her somewhere else, like Monitor, for example, you can get her to join your party, but she drops dead after a few steps. ("Hey, this isn't the way to the mint!") - Concussed DragonFollowing her resurrection in a cornfield in Monitor, Selina babbles mindlessly